Once again the Republicans save the day. 

"My citroen won't start" (lucasboechat) 02/15/2017 at 13:46 • Filed to: None

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Obviously Politics.

TheHondaBro > My citroen won't start 02/15/2017 at 13:48

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“But muh gunz”

ttyymmnn > My citroen won't start 02/15/2017 at 13:50

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With friends like these......

avalonian > My citroen won't start 02/15/2017 at 13:51

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This is so dumb. like, people who shoot up schools and places are mentally ill that’s what they’re charged of, then to turn around and allow them to get guns is ridiculous.

sm70- why not Duesenberg? > My citroen won't start 02/15/2017 at 13:51

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Jcarr > avalonian 02/15/2017 at 13:54

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Read the article.

My citroen won't start > avalonian 02/15/2017 at 13:55

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Republicans ®

Doing stupid shit for money and stupid beliefs since 1854

Jcarr > My citroen won't start 02/15/2017 at 13:57

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Here’s the crux of the Republican argument for those who can’t be bothered to do a little digging:

Sen. Charles Grassley (R-Iowa) spearheaded the repeal effort and said the regulation unfairly stigmatizes the disabled and infringes on their constitutional right to bear arms. He said that the mental disorders covered through the regulation are filled with “vague characteristics that do not fit into the federal mentally defective standard” prohibiting someone from buying or owning a gun.

Grassley cited eating and sleep disorders as examples of illnesses that could allow a beneficiary to be reported to the background check system if they also have a third party to manage their benefits.

“If a specific individual is likely to be violent due to the nature of their mental illness, then the government should have to prove it,” Grassley said.

I don’t disagree with the argument that persons with potentially violent mental/emotional disabilities should be restricted from purchasing firearms, but if the government wants to move forward on that, they better have some damn good criteria in place.

My citroen won't start > Jcarr 02/15/2017 at 13:58

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Make no mistake, this vote was really about deepening the gun industry’s customer pool, at the expense of those in danger of hurting themselves or others

Ash78, voting early and often > My citroen won't start 02/15/2017 at 13:58

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I wholeheartedly expect a Republican-on-Republican protest where we show up in front of elementary schools with lawn chairs and hunting rifles, protecting the school from psychos. That would be good entertainment. And I would show up.

Probenja > My citroen won't start 02/15/2017 at 13:59

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Make America Stereotypical Again!

Jcarr > My citroen won't start 02/15/2017 at 13:59

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Yep, every legislative move that doesn’t restrict gun ownership is just the NRA pulling the strings on their congressional puppets.

My citroen won't start > Probenja 02/15/2017 at 14:00

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Is this not expected from the Guns&God™ Party?

TheBloody, Oppositelock lives on in our shitposts. > My citroen won't start 02/15/2017 at 14:01

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You mean the very same rule the ACLU opposed and supported the repealing of because it violated people’s 4th amendment rights to due process? That one?

https://waysandmeans.house.gov/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/ACLU.pdf

“At the same time, regulation of firearms and individual gun ownership or use must be consistent

with civil liberties principles, such as due process, equal protection, freedom from unlawful

searches, and privacy. All individuals have the right to be judged on the basis of their individual

capabilities, not the characteristics and capabilities that are sometimes attributed (often mistakenly)

to any group or class to which they belong. A disability should not constitute grounds for the

automatic per se denial of any right or privilege, including gun ownership.”

I guess these days the Constitution really does only matter if it fits the current narrative.

MasterMario - Keeper of the V8s > avalonian 02/15/2017 at 14:01

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Did you even read the article? Even the ACLU was opposed to the regulation.

DrScientist > My citroen won't start 02/15/2017 at 14:02

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this one has me torn. only because we need a better way to classify and sub-classify “mentally ill.”

My citroen won't start > TheBloody, Oppositelock lives on in our shitposts. 02/15/2017 at 14:03

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A disability should not constitute grounds for the automatic per se denial of any right or privilege, including gun ownership

If if constitutes danger to others, yes, yes it should.

MasterMario - Keeper of the V8s > My citroen won't start 02/15/2017 at 14:04

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I feel like you didn’t read the article. Even the ACLU was opposed to this regulation. It unfairly cast a wide net with very generic labels for “mentally impaired”. Do we need better regulation? Yes. Should we trample other peoples rights in order to catch a few who might cause harm? No. That’s exactly what the US should be fighting against. Usually it’s the Republicans creating laws that disenfranchise a large group of people to target a few within that group. Don’t be a hypocrite now that the Republicans are blocking a Democrat regulation that did just that.

My citroen won't start > DrScientist 02/15/2017 at 14:04

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I agree, but what do you think are the probabilities of Republicans introducing similar legislation with a more specific classification of “mentaly ill”?

Jcarr > My citroen won't start 02/15/2017 at 14:05

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That’s the problem. The criteria being used to determine whether or not an individual is dangerous is not nearly specific enough.

My citroen won't start > MasterMario - Keeper of the V8s 02/15/2017 at 14:06

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Should we trample other peoples rights in order to catch a few who might cause harm? No

Yes! In this case, yes.

Also, this is not about righting wrongs, there will never be similar Rep legislation concerning this subject. This is the NRA acting in their best interest.

Jcarr > MasterMario - Keeper of the V8s 02/15/2017 at 14:08

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Exactly. Vague garbage like this creates a slippery slope.

avalonian > MasterMario - Keeper of the V8s 02/15/2017 at 14:09

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My bad yall, I misread it. sorry

Tapas > My citroen won't start 02/15/2017 at 14:11

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The intent behind the law, if I’m not mistaken, is to keep guns out of the hands of dangerous people due to a mental illness.

But if the mental illness doesn’t make them a danger to others, they should be able to own a gun.

Unfortunately, the public mental health system is in tatters and current background checks aren’t stringent enough to tell apart anorexia from an arson fetish disorder (or something dangerous?), we’re fucked.

The real problem is the state of the public mental health system and unwillingness of Republicans to mandate strict background checks.

There’s only 2 ways about this without making significant changes to a system that benifits powerful people in its current form. Either block access to all people with mental disorders. Or let all people buy guns freely, even ones that have mental disorders.

crowmolly > Jcarr 02/15/2017 at 14:14

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Exact same thing with the no fly list.

My citroen won't start > Tapas 02/15/2017 at 14:14

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Can you tell, from these 2 ways, which is more dangerous?

MasterMario - Keeper of the V8s > My citroen won't start 02/15/2017 at 14:15

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So maybe we ban all alcohol in order to prevent drunk driving? You know so those few who cause harm can’t any more.

Maybe we should just start calling people guilty until proven innocent, that way none of those bad guys get off on a technicality.

Living in a free society does not mean living in a society free of risk. You enjoy your freedom because your rights can’t be taken away because someone else did something.

You are over exaggerating the threat just to fit a line of thinking. I’d like to hear a statistic on how many people were killed over the years by mentally disabled persons who purchased their own gun.

Don’t jump to conclusions.

MasterMario - Keeper of the V8s > avalonian 02/15/2017 at 14:16

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No worries :) We all do that sometimes.

Jcarr > crowmolly 02/15/2017 at 14:17

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Yep

My citroen won't start > MasterMario - Keeper of the V8s 02/15/2017 at 14:19

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See, this is the problem with America. You see gun ownership as a right and not a privilege. And yes, the thing to do is to radically reduced gun ownership where it isn’t needed, like most civilised countries.

Stapleface > My citroen won't start 02/15/2017 at 14:20

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I’m torn on this one. I completely agree with the spirit of this legislation. The mentally ill with violent tendencies should not own firearms. But the system that they were using to identify them is broken. Too many people with too many other issues would be lumped into this, and this does violate their 2nd amendment rights.

TheBloody, Oppositelock lives on in our shitposts. > My citroen won't start 02/15/2017 at 14:20

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That’s not what is being argued here, what is being argued is that a person is automatically found to be mentally incompetent because they have a representative payee to manage their money from SS.

You can not buy a firearm if you have been deemed mentally incompetent (I feel the need to bold this because for some reason people think that mentally infirm can now buy guys when they couldn’t previously), however you have a right to due process and to defend yourself against allegations saying as much. This law bypassed all of that and violated the 4th amendment.   

RallyWrench > My citroen won't start 02/15/2017 at 14:22

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I’m not at all defending the current Republicans, because I find them to be largely indefensible, but this isn’t true. The parties used to be effectively opposite of what they are now, and it was Republicans who fought most vociferously against slavery.

crowmolly > avalonian 02/15/2017 at 14:25

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For the record, this is already on a 4473 form:

If you say yes, you’re out.

crowmolly > TheBloody, Oppositelock lives on in our shitposts. 02/15/2017 at 14:27

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Yeah, I posted the text from the 4473 above.

MasterMario - Keeper of the V8s > My citroen won't start 02/15/2017 at 14:28

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Well it is written into our constitution, so yea, we view it as a right.

Also, ask Mexico or Brazil how well gun laws work to curb violence.

Rust and Dust - Oppositelock Forever > Jcarr 02/15/2017 at 14:30

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It’s not anyone with a mental impairment, it’s anyone with a mental impairment that has a third party manage their benefits.

So I can’t have a check book, but I can have an AR-15 if I can convince the person with my check book to write the check?

Per the National Alliance on Mental Illness, 1 in 25 US adults (approx 10 million) experiences a serious mental illness in a given year that substantially interferes with or limits one or more major life activities. The law being addressed only affected 75,000, or 0.75% of those that experience a serious mental illness.

Seems like we had some pretty good criteria (less than 1% of those with mental illnesses were affected), especially given that there’s still an appeal mechanic in place for those affected to display/prove that they’re capable/responsible enough to own a firearm.

I like guns. Guns are fun to shoot. I just think that we need a more stringent criteria than “you’re over 18, have a pulse, and haven’t been convicted of a felony”.

Footnote: Got sidetracked mid-post actually working for a few minutes, someone else already may have touched on some of these points in the interim, apologies for redundant information if someone has already replied in kind.

Jcarr > Rust and Dust - Oppositelock Forever 02/15/2017 at 14:32

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Seems to me, though, that if the ACLU and over 20 other disability advocacy groups take issue with it, it might be faulty.

My citroen won't start > RallyWrench 02/15/2017 at 14:34

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Yeah, I messed up on that. It should have said 1930's

My citroen won't start > MasterMario - Keeper of the V8s 02/15/2017 at 14:35

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Hey I live in Brazil and I can tell you that since they outlawed most weapons to civilians, gun homicides and accidental deaths went down in high numbers.

BobintheMtns > My citroen won't start 02/15/2017 at 14:36

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My citroen won't start > BobintheMtns 02/15/2017 at 14:37

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thank you

Future next gen S2000 owner > Tapas 02/15/2017 at 14:37

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Arson fetish disorders are hot.

MasterMario - Keeper of the V8s > My citroen won't start 02/15/2017 at 14:39

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http://www.npr.org/sections/parallels/2016/03/28/472157969/brazil-has-nearly-60-000-murders-and-it-may-relax-gun-laws

Got some data to back that claim up? There still seems to be a large gap.

and 100 more > Future next gen S2000 owner 02/15/2017 at 14:39

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Badum- tiss .

My citroen won't start > MasterMario - Keeper of the V8s 02/15/2017 at 14:40

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This just backs what I’ve been saying. Did you read the article?

RutRut > My citroen won't start 02/15/2017 at 14:42

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Ask Chicago about gun control too. Since you aren’t from the US I assume you are not intimately familiar with our firearms laws or process, that being said I don’t give a whole lot of weight to your opinion on the subject.

The reality is the people in the US clamoring for more gun control typically don’t have a clue what they are talking about. The vast majority of gun deaths are suicide, the vast majority of murders are in states with large amounts of gun control and committed with handguns. And by an incredibly large margin, most gun owners will never shoot anyone.

Oh, and the Assault Weapons Ban was incredibly stupid and should never be reenacted.

Comes over to help work on your car and only drinks beer > Jcarr 02/15/2017 at 14:43

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In 140 character limited America, it’s just much easier if we speak in generalities and assume an evil cabal is behind everything than it is to actually read and understand issues.

My citroen won't start > TheBloody, Oppositelock lives on in our shitposts. 02/15/2017 at 14:43

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It is still not enough, to be deemed mentally incompetent is different from having a mental illness.

TheBloody, Oppositelock lives on in our shitposts. > My citroen won't start 02/15/2017 at 14:45

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Under the eyes of the law, a person with a serious mental illness is deemed mentally incompetent to own a firearm.  

MasterMario - Keeper of the V8s > My citroen won't start 02/15/2017 at 14:46

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Huh? I didn’t read anything there that said gun violence or murder rates have dropped since laws were enacted.

My citroen won't start > RutRut 02/15/2017 at 14:46

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‘No Way To Prevent This,’ Says Only Nation Where This Regularly Happens

  https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/mar/15/so-america-this-is-how-you-do-gun-control

https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2012/07/a-land-without-guns-how-japan-has-virtually-eliminated-shooting-deaths/260189/

And here ya go, person who somehow thinks the solution to the gun problem in america is more guns.

My citroen won't start > TheBloody, Oppositelock lives on in our shitposts. 02/15/2017 at 14:48

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A serious mental illness is dangerous, but so are other mental illnesses, that rule guaranteed that not only those fully impaired were barred from owning firearms.

duurtlang > MasterMario - Keeper of the V8s 02/15/2017 at 14:52

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With the graph you just provided you showed how homicide rate is a far worse problem in the US than in every other first world country. The US is the worst by far. You could cherry pick Mexico and Brazil or another developing country, but if I were you I’d be a bit more ambitious and aim for countries like the UK and Germany.

MasterMario - Keeper of the V8s > duurtlang 02/15/2017 at 14:57

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Not saying we don’t have room to improve (there is plenty). I do think we need better and more strict gun laws, but this was a really poor example to pick. Not every person with a mental disability is a threat, it was a poorly written law that indiscriminately targeted people based on preconceptions, not facts.

TheBloody, Oppositelock lives on in our shitposts. > My citroen won't start 02/15/2017 at 14:58

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You’re not listening to me, in the US if you have a mental illness and are deemed a danger to others; YOU CAN NOT BUY A FIREARM BY LAW.

TheBloody, Oppositelock lives on in our shitposts. > crowmolly 02/15/2017 at 14:59

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I think you might be wasting your breath on this one.

RutRut > My citroen won't start 02/15/2017 at 15:01

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At no point have I said the answer is more guns (although I am a gun owner), what actually needs to happen is logical regulation from people who have some knowledge on the subject. I believe we absolutely have a right to bear arms, but I also believe that I have a right to defend my life with absolute force.

Rust and Dust - Oppositelock Forever > Jcarr 02/15/2017 at 15:06

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It’s not perfect, but it’s not a black and white area, either. I don’t know what the right answer is, but it seemed like a fair start. They weren’t casting a net over anyone with mental disabilities, it was only those that required assistance managing their funds, which seems like a halfway decent benchmark for ability to responsibly own and maintain a firearm.

The last time I purchased a handgun (2007/2008), it took about 30 minutes, start to finish. I was handed a clipboard, filled out some paperwork, browsed and meandered while my application was reviewed, and I was on my way out the door with a pistol and a few hundred rounds.

I received more scrutiny my last two trips to vote.

EL_ULY > My citroen won't start 02/15/2017 at 15:11

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Mexico and Brazil from what I know and Brazil OPPO/LaLDers have said have corrupt gov’t and poverty.... hmmm... almost like the US soon lol :]

I’ve personally had more guns pointed at my in the US than in Mexico

TheBloody, Oppositelock lives on in our shitposts. > Tapas 02/15/2017 at 15:15

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The problem neither side seems to want to fix is getting the NICD properly funded and have all the states properly report people who committed crimes in their states to the database, I think right now mosts states only report 80% of their felony convictions which is terrifying.

You fix that and all of a sudden a ton of people who shouldn’t be able to buy a firearm won’t be able to do it legally.

crowmolly > TheBloody, Oppositelock lives on in our shitposts. 02/15/2017 at 15:18

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Yeah, I’m not even going to get into state-to-state variances.

In the most populous parts of the USA it is not as easy to get a gun (legally) as people think.

RutRut > duurtlang 02/15/2017 at 15:59

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Worth noting, this says homicide rate; not specifically isolated to firearms.

RutRut > My citroen won't start 02/15/2017 at 16:01

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You want the real solution? Life sentences with no parole for people who illegally sell firearms, life with no parole for multiple time offenders for gun violence. Death sentence for murder. Enforce the current regulations.

At no point will you ever be able to stop someone that is willing to plan and set on harming people. We have seen planes, knives, pressure cookers, trucks and fertilizer if they can’t get access to guns; people with no criminal history are tough to stop if one day they decide to kill a bunch of people.

TheBloody, Oppositelock lives on in our shitposts. > crowmolly 02/15/2017 at 16:02

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I’m a NJ resident... Trust me, I know how hard it is to get a firearm...

crowmolly > TheBloody, Oppositelock lives on in our shitposts. 02/15/2017 at 16:03

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Me too. I was going to post up the psych stuff from our STS-33 form.

TheBloody, Oppositelock lives on in our shitposts. > crowmolly 02/15/2017 at 16:05

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crowmolly > TheBloody, Oppositelock lives on in our shitposts. 02/15/2017 at 16:14

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What, it’s not illegal to stop for gas on your way to the range in every state?

Eric @ opposite-lock.com > MasterMario - Keeper of the V8s 02/15/2017 at 16:18

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I would argue that they both engage in this a lot , but historically republicans did it a bit less. Democrats are highly authoritarian and like to use broad sweeping legislation to ban really random stuff. They got a real hard-on for that AWB, which did absolutely nothing as proven by the complete lack of change in the crime rate after it expired (but CA held on to it firmly and expanded it to an alarming degree)...

Eric @ opposite-lock.com > RutRut 02/15/2017 at 16:26

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California made the AWB a state law and then made it even worse than it was. It blew my mind. I was so glad when I left that my new state would have reasonable gun laws, although the influx of people from elsewhere has resulted in new laws that are pretty annoying. We already policed ourselves surprisingly well in this state (for all intents and purposes, our state CCL was a perfect proxy for a background check and everyone demanded them before private party sales)...

I was surprised that Obama didn’t reenact it. Democrats are almost pathologically obsessed with that stupid law.

TheBloody, Oppositelock lives on in our shitposts. > crowmolly 02/15/2017 at 16:35

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You have one of those shoulder things that goes up? Yup, that’s a felony.

Eric @ opposite-lock.com > My citroen won't start 02/15/2017 at 16:42

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It’s even more recent than that. The democrats have never stopped doing stupid shit for money and stupid beliefs, that’s been their pattern since they were founded.

Of course, the republicans were initially pretty evil - Abraham Lincoln was the first and set the precedent for much of what the government keeps doing and getting into. We really need Jeffersonian Democratic-Republicans, which were roughly what the Libertarians were when founded, before the last 10-15 years when anarchists overwhelmed them to obtain their national ticket.

RutRut > Eric @ opposite-lock.com 02/15/2017 at 16:44

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The actual text that defines an “assault weapon” is just absurd. A collapsible stock that in its smallest configuration still meets federal length requirements?! My favorite is that a defining feature is a BAYONET LUG, because so many criminals use bayonets.

My citroen won't start > Eric @ opposite-lock.com 02/15/2017 at 17:02

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Idk, casual and blatant racism and prejudiced have been standard republican party policy since the 30's.

Eric @ opposite-lock.com > My citroen won't start 02/15/2017 at 17:30

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Democrats have had it as a plank in the party platform since they were founded in 1828... The groups they target have changed, but it has always been there.

MasterMario - Keeper of the V8s > EL_ULY 02/15/2017 at 19:18

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What are you doing that you’ve had guns pointed at you? The only time I’ve had a gun pointed at me is when a careless moron fails at basic weapon safety

Tapas > My citroen won't start 02/15/2017 at 23:11

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People are going to die both ways. It’s hard to tell.

I’m all for people not having guns. There are tazers, pepper spray, mace, home alone style booby traps. Lot of ways people can defend themselves. So if someone doesn’t gave guns, I wouldn’t mind that in the least.

But no matter which way the law goes, the people who didn’t like it will find incidents where a mentally ill person was either unable to defend him/herself. Or an instance where a mentally ill person went off the rails again and shot people.

Tapas > TheBloody, Oppositelock lives on in our shitposts. 02/15/2017 at 23:17

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Wow that is messed up. I had no idea....

Tapas > Future next gen S2000 owner 02/15/2017 at 23:21

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Oh, you can feel the unbridled burning passion lol

pip bip - choose Corrour > My citroen won't start 02/16/2017 at 05:26

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**facepalm**

TheBloody, Oppositelock lives on in our shitposts. > Tapas 02/16/2017 at 09:05

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Yep, they’re too busy trying to ban “assault weapons” because they’re dangerous (even though 97% of gun deaths are from handguns) so the issue is just compounded and never solved. More people die every year from being beaten to death with bats/pipes.

If the government fixed the NICD and actually went after people on that list who attempted to buy a gun we’d be in a much better spot. Fun fact, it’s actually a felony to attempt to buy a gun if you have a felony conviction and it’s also a felony sell a gun to someone you know isn’t legally allowed to own one. Is the father of the kid who shot up the church in NC in jail? Nope he’s still tooling around free, that cock slap should be serving the same sentence as his son.

Tapas > TheBloody, Oppositelock lives on in our shitposts. 02/16/2017 at 09:26

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Hey, whatever approach they can come up with to reduce gun deaths - count me in. Including a ban on assault weapons.

Only thing is, it should get passed as a law and enforced without having its funding gutted. Unfortunately with the power of the gun lobby, they will always have influence over our laws.

TheBloody, Oppositelock lives on in our shitposts. > Tapas 02/16/2017 at 09:34

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Lol the “assault weapon” ban is retarded, and put together by people who have no clue how guns work.

This picture of the exact same rifle, there is literally no difference mechanically between the two. The only differences are cosmetic.

Except the one at the bottom is an “assault weapon”, explain to me how that makes sense?

TheBloody, Oppositelock lives on in our shitposts. > TheBloody, Oppositelock lives on in our shitposts. 02/16/2017 at 09:43

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To further blow your mind, this isn’t a “assault weapon”

Tapas > TheBloody, Oppositelock lives on in our shitposts. 02/16/2017 at 09:43

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Not all of it makes sense, I give you that.

But I am sure that guns that actually are assault rifles are a part of the ban?

Let’s say the ban even leaves out one or two assault rifles - not that I would want that. But if the law passes, it would set a precedent in positioning guns as something that should be controlled for human health and well being.

I can get behind that.

EL_ULY > MasterMario - Keeper of the V8s 02/16/2017 at 09:53

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first time was up in a very nice side of town. A friend of mine threw a little party at his parent’s huge-ass place near a golf course. He just got back to Houston from graduating at Colorado State. Their backyard sort of blends into the golf course through the tall pines. We were not too far from the house in the woods. Us being me, a Mexican, my friend and his siblings/cousins darker Vietnamese, and my friend’s Indian girlfriend. All of a sudden a brand new Silverado crew cab comes towards us. It is night time of course so we just assumed it was security for the golf course. Nope. 4 older well dressed men with 2 ARs and 2 M4s exit the truck weapons drawn, “what the hell do you think you’re doing around here?” WTF? my friend was telling them that we are just hanging out and that his parent’s house was right there. One of them fired a weapon in the air then they all lowered them slowly, pointing them at us. We are flipping out telling them that he lives here, that’s their house and we are just hanging out. They told us to walk back home. We had to walk in front of the truck towards the house. I was just thinking, “aaww FUCK they are going to shoot us in the back” They then just drove by.

Next time not too long after, a group of friends went to play some baseball on an epic sunny day. It was a Sunday and a lot of the parks were already filled with people using their fields. We went to a park a little out of the city towards the petroleum refineries. It is a bit hidden in a long 2 way street into the woods but they have 3 clean fields since it is a city park and they had just given it a good run through. There was only one other group of people there making something on the grill and using the volleyball sand box. We headed towards the baseball field and were just scrimmaging Sandlot style. That other family left and it was just us. Later on, 2 white Silverado 4x4s (older, beat up) showed up and pulled right next to our cars. A bunch of drunk looking dudes came out and without any hesitation shouted, “hey you fuckin little beaners, get out of our park” WTF? Once again, one of the dudes took out a little 9mm and shot towards left field then pointed at us and shouted, “get out!!!”

The next time a group of us were working on the roof of a little shopping center fixing the A/C of dance studio and a shoe store. Around 4:30ish when we were done and just cleaning up our stuff this one crazy old dude pointed a revolver at us saying, “don’t fucking move, i’m calling the cops!” WTF? We were telling him that our work truck is out back and we’re with X company fixing the A/C. “Shut the fuck up you mother fucking pieces of shit liars, I know you’re stealing shit, it’s obvious! The cops are on the way.” Once the police got here, they told this old fucker to put his gun down. He said, “they are up there stealing something, arrest them!” They got control of this old fuck and we came down. Turns out the guy lives in the neighborhood behind the shopping center and has no business ties with the shopping center. Playing the good guy with a gun role.

The next time is hella long and i’m at work. Basically it was at a Denny’s parking lot on the seawall in Galveston. They treated us like shit the whole time. As we were leaving, the manager? or someone in charge plus the security guy ran of the place weapons drawn at me and girlfriend at the time. “Return the cash drawer now!” WTF? Long story short, they both got arrested after the real police arrived.

MasterMario - Keeper of the V8s > EL_ULY 02/16/2017 at 10:15

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Holy shit! I can’t imagine having to deal with any of that. Sorry for all the assholes being assholes to you just because you’re not white. I don’t understand some people. I can’t imagine drawing a gun on someone, even if I thought they were up to no good. Unless someone is clearly in immediate danger, just call the cops if you think something looks suspicious (even if you’re a racist asshole who’s definition of suspicious is “not white”).

TheBloody, Oppositelock lives on in our shitposts. > Tapas 02/16/2017 at 10:28

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Here’s the thing though, assault rifles were already banned (ALL of them) in 1986 ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firearm_Owners_Protection_Act ). You can not own an assault rifle manufactured after 1986 in any state in the US if you’re a civilian. Period, no loopholes, nada, nothing. People can apply for a NFA permit to own assault rifles built before 1986 however you also need about $10k-$40k to purchase said assault rifle so it’s out of reach of your average joe.

“Assault weapons” are semi automatic rifles that have specific cosmetic similarities with assault rifles. “Assault weapon” is a term put together by politicians who want to look like they’re tough on guns but all it really does is stop me from putting a collapsible synthetic stock with a pistol grip on a ranch rifle (like seen in the picture of my other reply). Now mind you that picture I showed of those two rifles are pictures of a Ruger Mini-14 which is basically the exact same rifle as the dreaded AR15, it will take the same size rounds(.223) and fire them at the same rate of fire.

Tapas > TheBloody, Oppositelock lives on in our shitposts. 02/16/2017 at 10:32

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If that’s case, I seemed to have missed the nuance you mentioned when I read into the issue. I am not as familiar with guns as you are.

That makes me hate both parties, tbh. Democrats for proposing such a gutless and/or incorrectly focussed bill and Republicans for refusing to concede even that 1/16th of an inch.

I’m all for measures that keep guns out of dangerous people’s hands though.

TheBloody, Oppositelock lives on in our shitposts. > Tapas 02/16/2017 at 10:58

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Yeah it drives me insane, I’m a gun owner who understands there are people in this world who shouldn’t have access to any firearm.

At this point the debate has become so toxic that nobody is willing listen to anyone else.

Tapas > TheBloody, Oppositelock lives on in our shitposts. 02/16/2017 at 11:17

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I agree, things have become unnecessarily toxic.

I’m glad we could have an open and rational conversation :)

TheBloody, Oppositelock lives on in our shitposts. > Tapas 02/16/2017 at 11:34

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Same here, makes for a refreshing change :).